Mr Kenzo
4:47 Fri Apr 24
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Waste of Money
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Russ of the BML
4:46 Fri Apr 24
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That's what the message needs to be.
Do not do it. You will not get rightful passage. You will be stopped. If you capsize chances of rescue atre slim to none. And if you are rescued after capsizing then you will be sent straight back.
Announcing to the world that funding has tripled is like the pirates hearing the school dinner bell. They are rubbing their hands together.
These people are risking their lives and need to take responsibility for that. If they all board a flimsy boat and head out to sea and it capsizes and they drown it's no one's fault but their own.
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wansteadman
1:37 Fri Apr 24
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If you want to stop people dying at sea in flimsy boats you have to stop them coming. If they know that when they are picked up they will be returned back to Libya they will stop trying
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BRANDED
12:14 Fri Apr 24
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There was a survivor of one of the boats interviewed and she was asked where she was headed "London". Why London? " Because it is the best".
So. Someone somewhere is suggesting that London is a great place to come and come they try.
They'd hardly be risking their lives for Sicily would they?
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Reality Cheques
12:05 Fri Apr 24
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Cholo
Indeed, as I've already acknowledged I've little doubt there is a mix of both, all being exploited as indeed are peoples emotions & reactions in how to deal with it .
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cholo
11:51 Fri Apr 24
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Reality Cheques 11:26 Fri Apr 24
No doubt correct in some cases, and some young men like to court danger, however this was also entire families with children, so unless they weren't fully aware of the risk there must be other driving factors if have thought.
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Swiss.
11:44 Fri Apr 24
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ECB have ben flooding the market with euros. I'm losing 1,000 euros a month on FX thanks to this.
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Reality Cheques
11:26 Fri Apr 24
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"It can't be just for financial reasons can it?"
In some cases it is. There was a relative yesterday of one young man that died. She was explaining that he wasn't in a war zone, wasn't under danger, wasn't that badly off where he lived & had a good family support around him. However, as a young man he thought it would be easy to make a even better life for himself in Europe through what he was told & what he believed.
In short he was an economic migrant & he's far from the only one as a lot are young men, not just from Libya & Syria, but from all over Africa.
Libya is just the transport hub for the human trafficking due to the lack of law & order in that country to stop it.
I've no doubt there is a mix of those that are genuine refugees in fear & fleeing hardship through war, but I've also little doubt that many are not.
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cholo
11:07 Fri Apr 24
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero 10:54 Fri Apr 24
I'm not saying you're wrong, but it begs the question why would the relatively well off middle class risk their lives in such a way if they didn't feel in grievous danger already? It can't be just for financial reasons can it?
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Dapablo
11:03 Fri Apr 24
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Desperate people in a desperate situation, no-one abandons their home, family and friends, gives their life savings to get on a boat to hopefully get somewhere, you don't know probably to be abused again.
God help them the poor souls it was a disgrace the funding was reduced in the first place.
Standing by watching children drown is just sick.
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Hammer and Pickle
11:03 Fri Apr 24
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There is a massive need to reform the Common Agricultural Policy.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
10:54 Fri Apr 24
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Fifth - two thousand dollars is a fortune in Eritrea or Somalia.
If they got a plane they would be turned back at the airport. And, as far as I'm aware, a one-way plane ticket from Africa to Britain costs a lot less than $2,000. I've just seen one online for £89. I imagine a ticket to Italy is even cheaper.
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Westham67
10:52 Fri Apr 24
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Fifth , I would assume getting out of their own country via an airport would be pretty problematic as well. They wont let you on a plane if you dont have the required visa for where the plane is bound for. Land borders and boats are they way for most I would imagine. Home office may raise their eyebrows if a family form Damascus requests half a dozen Holiday visas
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goose
10:49 Fri Apr 24
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they wont be made to feel welcome by the locals in Sicily, that is for sure.
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Fifth Column
10:47 Fri Apr 24
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Surface
As for the $2,000 figure, it's not always that high. In any case, families often sell everything they own and get into huge debt with money lenders to pay the money for the people traffickers. Otherwise they wouldn't be getting a fucking boat would they? They'd get a plane if they were so well off and middle class and claim asylum on arrival. They have to get a boat as they would not be able to demonstrate the level of income required to get a visa to the UK and thus come by plane.
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Fifth Column
10:45 Fri Apr 24
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War is a driver but it's also poverty. Plenty of west Africans on the boats trying to find a better life as opposed to fleeing from war.
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Mr Polite
10:33 Fri Apr 24
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Apologies, I wasn't saying anyone in particular on here view them that way (although no doubt some do). I just think many in general do - certainly many cretins i've heard or read in the media.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
10:30 Fri Apr 24
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Mr Polite 10:15 Fri Apr 24
'I don't like how refugees are seen as less worthy to live than others.'
They aren't. But if you pay your life savings to a pirate in the certain knowledge that he is going to abandon you at sea in the hope of you being rescued by the country you are attemping to illegally enter, then you have to take some personal responsibility for it.
Incidentally, these refugees are not the poor huddled masses, they are the middle classes who can afford to pay upwards of $2,000 for the chance to become an economic migrant.
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Westham67
10:23 Fri Apr 24
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I don't see them as less worthy than others mate . I just think announcing that you are trebling your efforts to give them a safe passage is counter productive. Do it by all means but by suggesting that you are removing some of the risk imo will increase the amount of people willing to jump onto an overloaded boat
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Mr Polite
10:15 Fri Apr 24
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I don't like how refugees are seen as less worthy to live than others.
Human lives whereever they are from should be seen as equally important.
Disgusted at the amount of people that would just allow them to die in an attempt to deter others.
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The Cult Of Bob
9:50 Fri Apr 24
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But Islam is the religion of peace. Why would anyone want to flee that hellhole?
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